tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post2471149063752339210..comments2024-01-19T00:21:36.058-05:00Comments on View from the Deadbox: What is Tournament Paintball?Baca Locohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13014510414015288907noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-52415683480815273472010-09-02T20:34:56.679-04:002010-09-02T20:34:56.679-04:00@ Reiner;
Ya I think your right. It's not that...@ Reiner;<br />Ya I think your right. It's not that it more popular here then any where else:Its the high population density, the weather and cheaper paint. Crowded paint ball parks give the illusion thats its alive and well.But if you talk to store owners their sales are nothing like they use to be a few years ago though this year is better then last year.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00985247445476558468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-28626845312760336772010-09-02T00:16:50.626-04:002010-09-02T00:16:50.626-04:00People always say paintball is doing great in Cali...People always say paintball is doing great in California. But compared to where? considering the population of California and the the number of paintball fields in relationship to the population, is it really any wonder that the fields are busy?<br /><br />Anyone have any statistics about how many people play in California (and other states). I have a feeling there may be a lower percentile of the population that play paintball in California compared to many other states. I don't know this for a fact, just a hunch I have.<br /><br />Of course paintball is going to be a hotspot in California just due to the shear density of the population, just as California is a hotspot for many, many other activities.Reiner Schaferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11735297279972068471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-25667686313743478812010-09-01T23:24:22.307-04:002010-09-01T23:24:22.307-04:00Paint ball seems to be doing well in Southern Cali...Paint ball seems to be doing well in Southern California with the majority of players playing rec ball.Paint ball fields are mostly full every week and fields make a distinction between rec and speed ball with the entry fee for speed ball less if that's all your going to play.It seems the rest of the world is getting screwed on paint as its cheap here.Ultra Evil and other brittle paint is going for around 35.00 to 45.00 a box.Cheaper if your sponsored.The economy is hurting the sport with a lot of good players that can't afford to play consistently if they aren't sponsored. If paint gets cheaper (I think it will) and the economy turns around teams will start signing up for tourneys again.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00985247445476558468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-23197300727975772722010-09-01T10:11:00.098-04:002010-09-01T10:11:00.098-04:00Back to the question of what is different.
I foun...Back to the question of what is different.<br /><br />I found some interesting data published by Statistics Canada a couple of years ago. I mention them in my latest post at http://reiner-schafer.blogspot.com/. I assume statistics for the USA would probably parallel.<br /><br />The source can be found here: http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/080207/dq080207b-eng.htm<br /><br />It makes you wonder if trends in participation in competitive paintball are all that much different as trends in participation in sports in general.Reiner Schaferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11735297279972068471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-12425708912260243212010-08-31T11:40:14.081-04:002010-08-31T11:40:14.081-04:00Mark
For some reason I "misremembered" a...Mark<br />For some reason I "misremembered" and was thinking those atrocious woods fields carried over to 2000. Warpig was inconclusive but it seems more likely your youthful memory is correct. Now I'ma gonna have to fix the post, dammit.<br /><br />Anon<br />You may be correct about the CFOA. My point was only that the issue isn't just a major league paintball problem.Baca Locohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13014510414015288907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-20266369304350356602010-08-31T11:08:47.072-04:002010-08-31T11:08:47.072-04:00Reiner, anon here. I pretty much meant what you sa...Reiner, anon here. I pretty much meant what you said out better. Not that there is something wrong in selling tag experience to people, there is a massive market and need for such fields and they prosper. <br /><br />What I meant was that competitive paintball has done a major sidestep by trying to tone down the sport to cater for people who just want to play tag. And like you said, high rof, pain, blood and sweat belongs to competitive field, not to your local recpark.<br /><br />And no, I have no idea how to turn the truck around on the narrow road either, but I know its a dead end.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-12156903790071153702010-08-31T10:19:44.133-04:002010-08-31T10:19:44.133-04:00Is it possible CFOA attendance is down a lot becau...Is it possible CFOA attendance is down a lot because they run crappy events?<br /><br />They made a grab for the paint sales so local fields don't have any reason to support the league anymore, Larry never returns emails or phone calls, the refs drink on the job...<br /><br />Other regional series are doing OK or growing. Might just be a CFOA problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-24614338324326363532010-08-31T10:18:37.638-04:002010-08-31T10:18:37.638-04:00Anonymous' list above is pretty good. I don&#...Anonymous' list above is pretty good. I don't agree with b & e, which pretty much say the same thing. I think if anything, keeping recreational paintball "tame" should help draw those looking for a more extreme sport to competitive paintball, especially if the price difference in paint is huge. Why play tag at $160/case when I can play an exciting competitive form of paintball at $40/case? Competitive paintball should be trying to disassociate itself from recreational "tag". Besides, how many fields recreational fields do you know that charge over $100/case? Most charge the weekend warrior (recreational player) the same price for paint as the competitive players are paying. The industry is also very happy to sell the weekend warriors the same guns (or close cousins dressed up in Milsim trim) as the competitive players are using. There is no need to make the commitment to play the extreme version (competitive paintball), when you can get your jollies shooting cheap paint with fast guns at recreational fields all over America.<br /><br />There should be a distinct separation between recreational paintball and competitive paintball. Both would fare better if we stopped trying to intermingle the two. I think that's the root of the problem, but unfortunately the solution to the problem is out of the hands of those involved in competitive paintball (must be very frustrating). It lies in the hands of thousands of individual field owners across the continent, many of whom are not intelligent enough to figure this out on their own. And even when it's explained to them many don't believe it, so there really is no hope. It's a one way street with no room to turn around....and it's getting narrower.Reiner Schaferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11735297279972068471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-64993543052065704742010-08-31T10:18:33.574-04:002010-08-31T10:18:33.574-04:00'99 WC was the last one to have woods fields.'99 WC was the last one to have woods fields.Mark790.06https://www.blogger.com/profile/06593268111335545407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-2140034851107126942010-08-31T05:42:20.988-04:002010-08-31T05:42:20.988-04:00cost control for teams and leagues, regardless of ...cost control for teams and leagues, regardless of format, tech, etc. Without some form of sustainable budgetary concept, the vast majority of teams will be one event/one season wonders. A few players will move on, the rest will find a more sustainable way to play.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-69069389663865174812010-08-31T05:38:42.372-04:002010-08-31T05:38:42.372-04:00I still think that you can't critically look b...I still think that you can't critically look back towards the time when you among others agitated ROF to be lowered and proclaimed it to be holy savior. <br /><br />Every year ROF has gone down, team count has steadily gone down also. It did not provide savings to teams, nor it brought new players to the sport, it just made it childs play.<br /><br />I think, downfall of team count is mainly due to:<br /><br />a) too many division, lack of oldschool "you get to play against the pro's if you do really good" brackets.<br /><br />b) PB overall made from extreme'ish fighting sport into glorified tag.<br /><br />c) Ion generation being too young when introduced into national events. Teens wallets are too skimp and they achieve "everything" (in their own minds) too fast. <br /><br />d) Paintball as a sport got figured out too fast and does not have high enough skill ceiling. Kids get to level local pro lawnmowers too easy just by playing sundays for couple years if they have even slither of talent. This kills then enthusiasm when girls and teenage starts to end.<br /><br />e) Sport as a whole was unable to separate from its tag-roots and "oh paintball, I played it at johns birthday"-image. Now that its no longer even that extreme, its viewed by too many as extension to hundreds of bp birthday facilities that charge 100$ for case of paint. Talk about loss of cool. Imagine if this was image of surfing, snowbording or skatebording?<br /><br />f) The industry as a whole. Talk about most incompetent bunch of wierdos who run this sport. <br /><br />g) Cost of practice. Releasing layouts too early and making practice grind of that layout was not a smart move when practice paint still costs way too much for almost everyone to practice more than once a week and anything called a serious sport does not fly with "yeah we play on sundays". We should play atleast 3 times a week and case price needs to go to 20$ish or lower.<br /><br />h) The players. Sometimes I think the biggest problems in paintball is all these people like myself who know exactly what is wrong in their own minds, but lack real insight and ability to listen to others or do anything good to help new players to get into the sport.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-15780741315375262282010-08-31T01:34:17.760-04:002010-08-31T01:34:17.760-04:00I hope this counts as relevant...don't want Ba...I hope this counts as relevant...don't want Baca to beat me up.<br /><br />-I wish we never added anything past Division 3. It makes the div's lose their status and weight and I would rather have thicker divisions of teams instead of smaller ones. Maybe an intro division is a good idea, but do we really have enough teams to warrant it (let alone D5)? Div3 used to be the intro division, yes, you would struggle, but getting to the top of it one day is called accomplishment. then you have plenty of other divisions to climb, still, after that.papa chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06327300420900886575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-73067162373330016262010-08-30T16:17:48.682-04:002010-08-30T16:17:48.682-04:00There is no difference, and while these numbers ar...There is no difference, and while these numbers are a result of the many “problems” we face, they do not provide a proper context for the concepts these leagues have attempted to place into increments- that paintball is a sport which includes ALL variations of space from ALL perspectives, not just one. In fact, the opposite perspective has been touted and praised above all else, so why would a business want an entire playing base to think simply? Obviously- to make profit. This is not the position of sport, nor should it ever be.<br /><br />Plain and simple, our national leagues do not know how to run a business with the resources they have been allotted. Why are we continuing to ask these questions without taking action? There are those out there working with nothing and producing everything while those with everything produce nothing. “Stop making sense…”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com