tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post5176854696354292207..comments2024-01-19T00:21:36.058-05:00Comments on View from the Deadbox: Elvis Has Left The BuildingBaca Locohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13014510414015288907noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-59401806073908090952013-02-04T20:15:13.012-05:002013-02-04T20:15:13.012-05:00CEP knew, and if we knew...everyone knew.CEP knew, and if we knew...everyone knew.RG14noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-8623013841918143422013-02-04T15:34:21.484-05:002013-02-04T15:34:21.484-05:00The difference is that with event-by-event promoti...The difference is that with event-by-event promotion/relegation, the new kids are gone after an event. Knowing you will be relegated after an event should reduce the incentive to buy a spot since you can't keep it a whole season.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-11652846831491604122013-02-01T21:44:22.645-05:002013-02-01T21:44:22.645-05:00Edit
*players that are pretty pissed* not "p...Edit<br />*players that are pretty pissed* not "posses"<br /><br />IPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-89384514560178130392013-02-01T21:40:36.283-05:002013-02-01T21:40:36.283-05:00So then a second team could never move up from D1 ...So then a second team could never move up from D1 or from challengers? Because either way that sounds like you could quickly end up with a roster of players that are pretty posses AND would have a liscense to sandbag that division that for all other intents they are over qualified for.<br /><br />And Nick you missed the point. When relegation and promotion was previously implemented in the other US league, it failled as soon as team owners started earning a second slot with their semi-pro team. These slots were sold to other teams that never earned them and all of a sudden the "champions" concept went out the window and we were back to beating on the new kids that bought their slot. IPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-4178152331542754932013-01-30T12:05:15.642-05:002013-01-30T12:05:15.642-05:00Well, I would assume the PSP leadership is bright ...Well, I would assume the PSP leadership is bright enough, to not allow ownership of more than one team in the same division of the league, going forward..... <br /><br />It's the same in most other sports, for fear of rigged games and bias.<br /><br />So, if that is the case, a second team in the same club/with the same owner, can never move into a division that has another team from the same organisation?Nick Brockdorffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08058065730404049908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-23789846676046539692013-01-30T11:50:48.052-05:002013-01-30T11:50:48.052-05:00So what happens when a second line from a pro team...So what happens when a second line from a pro team makes it into the champions division? Are we back to selling slots again? Cause that worked so well to legitimize the pro bracket last time.IPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-49027886441482390942013-01-30T11:37:30.215-05:002013-01-30T11:37:30.215-05:00Thanks - every now and then I am lucid ;)Thanks - every now and then I am lucid ;)Nick Brockdorffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08058065730404049908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-76616530447751377822013-01-30T09:52:03.432-05:002013-01-30T09:52:03.432-05:00Nick
Fair point.Nick<br />Fair point.Baca Locohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13014510414015288907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-67189827296211758372013-01-30T08:32:26.316-05:002013-01-30T08:32:26.316-05:00I disagree Baca
I think a relegation play off wou...I disagree Baca<br /><br />I think a relegation play off would be a grand idea..... and a way better solution to just going by scores, when 2 of the 4 teams in the bottom never faced off.<br /><br />I say, let the 4th from one bracket play 5th from the other, and vice versa, to decide it.<br /><br />Especially as brackets can be quite unbalanced (not least at the start of the season, and even more so now, with strong challengers coming up)...... also because it gives a team a direct head to head to save their spot, rather than being forced out by results in a bracket they were not part of.<br /><br />And..... it would make for a much more exiting watch for all us fans out there!Nick Brockdorffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08058065730404049908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-39552668026058537272013-01-30T03:22:59.866-05:002013-01-30T03:22:59.866-05:00If it ends up being the bottom from each bracket, ...If it ends up being the bottom from each bracket, I would hate to see a team go 2-2, get last in their bracket and get regulated, and a team from the other bracket do worse and stay.Devon Stuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08942079899474734480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-91774116942556826922013-01-29T16:30:29.697-05:002013-01-29T16:30:29.697-05:00Karen
RE: roster. 12 is the max allowed not a numb...Karen<br />RE: roster. 12 is the max allowed not a number you need to meet.<br /><br />RE: relegation playoff. Do not expect that to happen. It isn't part of the Champions/Challengers framework as I understand it. Strikes me as overkill. You can't play 4 prelim matches and then possibly undo those results based on some losers playoffs. Sounds like raehl to me. :)<br />One question to be determined with regards relegation however is which two? The two lowest results or the last team from each bracket? Most times they may be the same but it isn't a guarantee. I would favor the lowest result in each bracket.Baca Locohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13014510414015288907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-27587588808232769232013-01-29T15:47:01.182-05:002013-01-29T15:47:01.182-05:00Vicious did know. I just know that some of the ot...Vicious did know. I just know that some of the other teams feel like they are left out of the loop while others have all the info.<br /><br />Now we have been told that teams 7-10 will have to play each other to see who gets to stay in the top 8. You don't get to get back in the mix, you just now would have to play another game to get to stay. Maybe this info is wrong.<br /><br />It would have been nice to see the rules at the same time of the release.<br /><br />I don't think the 12 players would affect Vicious, because we will stick with the same kids. Maybe add 1 which would only put us at 10. <br /><br />Just set the rules and we will follow them.Karennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-23031744496567629542013-01-29T12:34:57.489-05:002013-01-29T12:34:57.489-05:00@karen, how would you prepare Vicious any differen...@karen, how would you prepare Vicious any differently if you would've known. Sure a courtesy call would've been great but this won't affect you guys from placing where you should be,fighting it out with the other top 10 teams at E2. <br /><br />Roster lock after E2 would be grandNewPronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-28710921724019718272013-01-29T00:23:55.388-05:002013-01-29T00:23:55.388-05:00Awesome solution.
It will make the "relegati...Awesome solution.<br /><br />It will make the "relegation" fight at every event very interesting to watch.<br /><br />Now they just need to show the Challengers semifinals games also, on the main field, and it's all good :)Nick Brockdorffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08058065730404049908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-36728077871568727532013-01-28T23:29:44.410-05:002013-01-28T23:29:44.410-05:00Roster size going to 12 won't mean much. Play...Roster size going to 12 won't mean much. Playing more people means you're putting less talented players on the field more.<br /><br />I don't know why the Pro teams would expect notification. They pay an entry fee just like anyone else. If they would like greater input they should inquire with PSP about buying some shares.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-87885729604662720132013-01-28T23:11:33.096-05:002013-01-28T23:11:33.096-05:00It is bad if you are a pro team and you learned th...It is bad if you are a pro team and you learned this from the press release. I would hope that pro teams were notified by the PSP but doesn't look like it was done that way.<br /><br />Vicious knew, but we still don't know every rule. Roster sizes going to 12 could change how some teams were going to operate this year.karennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-15430817634938611082013-01-28T19:27:46.470-05:002013-01-28T19:27:46.470-05:00Anon
There are a number of candidates the league w...Anon<br />There are a number of candidates the league will consider.Baca Locohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13014510414015288907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-70692587586293531082013-01-28T19:26:42.317-05:002013-01-28T19:26:42.317-05:00Mike
I think it would be fair to say that most of ...Mike<br />I think it would be fair to say that most of the leading lights of the PSP are regular visitors to VFTD. Of course I've advocated lots of things over the years the PSP didn't do too.<br /><br />James<br />The individual event results will determine promo/relegation.<br />At the start Challengers may not have a full compliment of 10 teams but will at some point probably sooner than later.<br /><br />Sully<br />For ranking purposes the 2 pro brackets will likely be considered as one so a tenth place finish in Champions is worth more than first in Challengers--though I haven't seen a formula for this yet it will (almost certainly) be in the rules update for 2013.<br />I don't expect a change like that as it would be inconsistent with everything else the league is doing with promo/relegation. Nor is it "fair" to change the number of teams at Cup as it alters the ranking points scored for the teams that have been competing all season.<br />As for getting "screwed" that's easy, don't finish on the bottom. It's not like it's gonna be a surprise.Baca Locohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13014510414015288907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-1013146545400195682013-01-28T19:08:43.039-05:002013-01-28T19:08:43.039-05:00Besides the bottom 5 teams from pro, who will make...Besides the bottom 5 teams from pro, who will make up the challengers division? The only D1 team that did consistently well was Topgun. Apart from them every team was up and down. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-51571680232819637622013-01-28T18:55:56.473-05:002013-01-28T18:55:56.473-05:00With regard to the openness of World Cup and how t...With regard to the openness of World Cup and how teams could be knocked out after the fourth event. I hope PSP would go a a neutral approach and just have the top two teams from the challenger division move up to join the 10 from the Champions to form a 12 man division much like it was all 2012 instead of screwing over 2 teams who may have had just one bad event.<br /><br />Also how will placing in the Challenger bracket affect season standings. For example, should the first place team in the Challenger bracket get as many points as the first place in the Champion bracket at one event. I would hope not Sullynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-50818129015125329162013-01-28T17:59:10.828-05:002013-01-28T17:59:10.828-05:00When the top two team move up or down. Just the pr...When the top two team move up or down. Just the prior event standing will be looked at or the season over all standing? Any word on how many teams will be the challenger division?JamesTCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-64580843015104468242013-01-28T17:56:17.421-05:002013-01-28T17:56:17.421-05:00Baca -
PSP first changes field dimensions to (att...Baca -<br /><br />PSP first changes field dimensions to (attempt to) improve pace of play... and now this. Both changes I love as a fan.<br /><br />Just curious if you met with any PSP upper folk and had input into these decisions?Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13880496623687248498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-31720984270396559332013-01-28T17:42:11.666-05:002013-01-28T17:42:11.666-05:00The league discussed this option with a number of ...The league discussed this option with a number of peeps across the paintball spectrum in advance. Beyond that I can't comment. It seems some were left out. If they're unhappy I suggest they take a hard look at the alternative. Of course maybe they prefer to be called pros than play like pros.Baca Locohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13014510414015288907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-43902264802850235412013-01-28T17:21:18.046-05:002013-01-28T17:21:18.046-05:00Reading the obligatory thread over on the Nation, ...Reading the obligatory thread over on the Nation, it seems that some of the pro teams (perhaps the newer ones) were blindsided by this development.sdawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15323770608334563797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3804718502406028481.post-43617902911276678622013-01-28T16:33:03.823-05:002013-01-28T16:33:03.823-05:00I think you may see some modified roster rules for...I think you may see some modified roster rules for the pros.<br /><br />MikeM<br />I am inclined to think that this first season you will probably see most of the movement within a group of 5 or 6 teams but in time as the Challengers bracket improves the teams making moves will expand.Baca Locohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13014510414015288907noreply@blogger.com