Thursday, April 18, 2013

NPPL 4.0?

So I was wrong. I had previously predicted the Denver event as the over/under for the demise of the NPPL 3.0. At least this is gonna be fun to watch. (Gee, I hope the checks from HB don't bounce.)
The official statement can be seen here. [Does any paintball company have anyone on the payroll who can write and spell? Doesn't seem like it.] A few items are noteworthy.
But before I get to those it might be worthwhile to do a brief, very brief, historical review of the NPPL. The original NPPL was comprised of representative pro and am teams fed up being at the mercy of the limited number of promoters running national scale events back in the day. The idea was that the NPPL, representing the teams, would sanction specific events after vetting the promoters who would handle the logistics and event operations. Within a couple of years it devolved into a series of individual events run by NPPL members. Without going overboard on the details ownership of the NPPL name and logo lapsed due to unpaid fees and was acquired by Chuck Hendsch. At around the same time WDP had a falling out with the by then PSP promoters, specifically Jerry Braun, at one of the Ponciana Blvd. cow pasture World Cups. Thus was born Pure Promotions and a deal with Chuck to promote NPPL (1.0) events using the 7-man format then used in Euroland by the Millennium Series. Despite a second and third season of operations when it wasn't uncommon to see 200 plus teams signed up Pure Promotions was rumored to be hemorrhaging money and sold their interest to the Pacific Paintball group (NPPL 2.0). Pacific hired Shawn Walker as their event operator and over the next few seasons was unable to stave off declining turnout and in a surprise move the Monday after a tentative merger agreement was made with the PSP Pacific declared bankruptcy. Prior to asset sales of the Pacific bankruptcy Chuck talked a number of pro team owners into the idea they could each pony up some cash and run their own league. The physical assets and intellectual property were bought by Chuck & partners and NPPL 3.0 was formed. Rumor has it that prior to HB 2013 the league (3.0) had spent 300 large more than they had taken in. Throw in a couple of failed TV ventures, a fistful of fumbled merger attempts and the departure of most of the original "owner" teams and here we are today.
NPPL 4.0.
According to the press release the NPPL will oversee (and sanction) events now to be run by PB Promotions--a company[?] that has apparently existed for a few days at most but is believed by most to be a front company for Valken. My sources say such speculation is incorrect and that it is Shawn Walker and Shawn Walker--of NPPL 2.0--alone who will be the event operator using PB Promotions as the legal front company. Walker has past and ongoing on site operations experience in tournament promotions though his previous NPPL efforts were unsuccessful and left him shrouded in ugly rumors and innuendo.
So where does this leave Chuck, Pev & the rest of the "owners"? For starters no longer in charge of the checkbook but still able to sit around and dream big dreams and talk big talk without the downside of actually having to produce anything.
A couple of months ago there were some hot and heavy rumors of Richmond (GI Sportz) and Gino (Valken) both buying into the NPPL. At the time Richmond was also looking to regain a piece of the PSP but the only thing that came of all the threats and bluster was a multi-year sponsorship deal between GI and the PSP. It was also rumored at the time that one look at the state of the NPPL as a legal entity frightened both potential suitors away.
By acting as the event operator PB Promotions avoids legal ties to the NPPL and what may or may not be its current debt burden. In the interrum however it seems fair to ask what resources PB Promotions will bring to the table that will help the league succeed when as the man on the ground for NPPL 2.0 Walker literally had millions of dollars to work with from Pacific Paintball yet failed to be successful.
The one remaining critical question for PB Promotions is: Does a national tournament series exist if it doesn't have a webcast?

46 comments:

JustinProPaintball said...

Walker is confirmed by several sources.

Anonymous said...

I checked the USPTO site for trademarks for Paintball Promotions, and came up empty. While on the site, I looked up NPPL trademarks and found they had just been trademarked in the last few weeks. Seems the old marks had "died" a few years ago. Darn it all, we all missed our opportunity to pull a Chuck. Oh, well.

Anonymous said...

It's not just about a webcast. It's about promoting a new culture of documentation and letting new media sources take root. Even if you've got the coolest game in the world - nobody will care or know of it if its doesn't support some form of media.

splatkid10 said...

I tried to understand the explanation/history you offered of the NPPL (1.0, 2.0, etc.) and it's quite confusing to understand. Perhaps that's one of the reasons their league is in such disarray, the discontinuity and lack of organization appears to be endless.

Does no webcast mean no national series? I'm not sure...

Does a webcast mean success for a series? Again, I'm not sure...If PBA and the webcast doesn't take off for the PSP - will the webcast be around in the years to come?

Anonymous said...

@splatkid

Even the College series has a webcast, and a damn good one at that.

Anonymous said...

A webcast does not make a league. I'm surprised you'd even ask because it lends credence to the idea that the frills are important to the game being played at the event.

You, Baca, were first and foremost leading the charge against those extras and constantly bemoaned the fact that so much money and effort was being spent on things that was not reffing, quality playing surface, etc.

Back to the point of the post. Walker can't be judged on Pacific Paintball alone. That failed, and I don't know if any of us can say why.

We can judge Walker on what he has done since. Run one of the better fields in CA, run a successful team, as well as regional league.

You can knock those things if you want, but quite frankly the number of people who have done the same, let alone consecutively are few and far in between.

I say this as someone who is thoroughly annoyed at how cool Shawn thinks he is.

Baca Loco said...

Anon 1137
Given that a very limited number of people attend an event compared to the numbers that can watch it live or after the fact it seems clear to me that for the time being PBA has altered the major league script--a fact the MS tacitly acknowledges in their efforts to broadcast their events. I'm not saying it's a good or bad thing or even one that will continue indefinitely--I am saying it's nearly impossible to make the claim to being a major league without one right now.

splatkid10 said...

Anon1137 - my questions were rhetorical and something to think about.

Baca - 1) thanks for the two piece article on aggression - I know I made that request a while back and glad to read it. Too bad I didn't get it before HB, then again maybe you saw some of it in action on Field 1 before your guys games with the D1 teams ;-)
2) Webcasts are great...if you're looking for the webcast. For the forseeable future I see the webcast only touching on current players - how do we get it out to people who would want to try playing? Or is the aim to increase the number of tournament players amongst the rec players which will increase tournament size, competition, etc?

Anonymous said...

Pacific Paintball is informative. Shawn Walker had access to millions of dollars in somebody else's money and still managed to drive the league into the ground. His position today as the holder of the Camp Pendleton contract is a direct result of his shady dealings at PP.

That doesn't mean it's predictive though. Who knows how Shawn will do when it's his own money on the line instead of someone else's. But there XPSL is also informative - one of the reasons Shawn sold XPSL to Pacific Paintball in the first place was the incredibly poor financial condition of the league. Anyone who was around to play back then will remember Shawn's inability to perform as a tournament promoter, a student of the same school of event promotion as NPPL 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 and 4.0, where it doesn't matter if you're hemorrhaging cash or failing to deliver on tournament basics so long you've got rosy press releases.

They're already starting off well - cancelling an event many of their assumed new customers would have already bought airfare for.

Anonymous said...

What is Gino's relationship with Valkan paint and how does he fit into the mix? You can say what you want about Gino but he is a good business man. I don't see him dumping money down a hole if he isn't going to get a return out of it.

Anonymous said...

Gino's relationship with Valken paint is he OWNS Valken.

Missy Q said...

the NPPL were the first tournament series to have a webcast, the PSP just recently caught up with the rest of the world (and went past them)so I would not agree that a national tournament series exists only if it has a webcast.
If the NPPL was still the only series with a webcast you would be ridiculing it as 'smoke & mirrors' and lauding the PSP for staying 'true to the game' by avoiding such unecessary distractions. In fact, I think you may have done just that, several times in the past.
Funny how times change.
I'm not bitter at all.

Ken said...

Dark chocolate has always tasted bitter, missy, ;-)

Anonymous said...

Theirs always going to be a niche for seven man even if its not a big one.As long as their's a market for it someone should be able to put together a league that can carter to that and not run it into the negative.

Mike Hinman is able to run the WCPPL with integrity and not run it into the red.

A prior post pointed out that Shawn Walker would be spending his own money and I think he's smart enough to have learned from his previous mistakes.

I don't think will see the HB venue again as that costs tens of thousands of dollars to put together. They can also choose venues that don't cost a fortune to lease. What's more probable is Gino developing three more fields at SC Vilaage giving him a total of six and then leasing them out to both the PP (Nppl) and the PSP. He would cut a deal with the PSP to allow Him to include Valkan paint with the other paint vendors. The shell company PP insulates both Shawn and Gino from any previous NPPL liabilities so provided they run the new 4.0 wisely this might actually work.

Dark chocolate tastes sweet to me.

Missy Q said...

Think you have Gio and Gino mixed up...

...and you're both right, my dark chocolate is bitter-sweet. It also brings all the boys to the bar...

Anonymous said...

Gio D'egidio is an owner of SC Village / Giant Sportz and Gino Postorivo owns Valken...just to clarify.

Pete said...

And Gio may or may not have allegedly bribed Orange County officials to open Giant paintball... it may or may not have been evidence brought in against the former Sheriff...

NewPro said...

Just a thought, the dude who was responsible for running nipple into the ground the last time, is now apparently running the show again.

Einsteins definition of insanity is...

Can someone with more than a grade 4 edjubakation get to be in charge

Anonymous said...

Newpro kind of like the same dudes sinking hundreds of thousands of dollars into paintball broadcast keep doing it.

Baca Loco said...

Missy
You continue to fail to make important distinctions. The point was never that PP was innovative but that its priorities were frequently distracted by some of their innovations.
And in your given example if PBA fails it won't take the PSP with it nor do all the operative complications of running the PBA webcast distract from the PSP's focus on providing a competition.

NewPro said...

@Anon

your equating an attempt to showcase our sport on an unparalleled level, something we have never done before

VS

The blatant mismanagement (bordering fraud) of the NPPL by past and present characters....

tell me again what i'm missing.

Anonymous said...

Newpro thinks what is new is better. The Nxl was unprecedented and huge. Tell me when did a hollywood mogul buy in to paintball before. Various Espn and huge prizes were huge, tell me when did a network ever put up the prize purse. The casino was huge, when did a tournament ever get completely put on for the purpose of a several month broadcast? Get real. PBA will never reach the same amount of people. I still have mid level players talk about seeing pb on Espn to me. None have heard of PBA.

Anonymous said...

Why are people stuck on trying to devalue PBA? I don't care if mid level, rec level, no level players haven't seen it. I enjoy their broadcast and would support it financially if the time ever came. It's a service model and I find that more enduring then a hype/exposure driven model.

NewPro said...

@ anon again, we must be having a communication issue.....if you mean by new, a solid attempt to showcase our sport and hopefully attract non-industry sponsors, yes, I like new.

If your definition of new, means washed, up-rehashed, version 7.1, then no...I don't like new.

Since you've chosen PBA as your demon, its their money, its their decision and only time will tell if this direction was right. Since you obviously have an issue with the way companies use their resources (see investing players hard earned money, also see entry fees, paint sales, concession sales, vendor fees, parking lot collection, grandstand fees,etc), what is your opinion of the direction the NPPL took the last time Mr.Walker held the reins, was his leadership one of vision or did the "fraudulent" misuse of funds, as was voiced by former employees a better use of resources then PBA.

I hate to focus on the dot but your issue seems to be with direction, vision, leadership,etc of PB companies.

Again, were you one of the individuals left out of the sandbox or have you chosen PBA because you have a 1st year university course in marleting?

Anonymous said...

New pro no issues, I like PBA. It's great. It's also a better production version of the same old dream. If the problem with the dream was the production, maybe it will succeed, but frankly superior products fail all the time for lack of marketing (distribution is just as important as the product, if not more so, PBA has no distribution other than direct). But what if the dream just is impossible?

I'm not a rosy eyed defender or hater. PBA is grat, Psp is great, Nppl is good for the sport. Anyone who says otherwise is either ignorant or has an agenda. Truth.

Missy Q said...

To Anon 3.36

NPPL Miami 05.
That would be when a major network put up the prize purse. They added $25g to the $25g already up for 1st place Pro, as a $50 grand 1st place sounded better for the show. Hate to burst your bubble.

And I don't think anyone is trying to 'davalue' PBA. In order to devalue it, it would have to 'show value' to someone other than the people that like watching it for free. Once it has some value, at that point it can be devalued...

Anonymous said...

Missy not sure what you mean. I was acknowledging it was indeed a big deal when those things happen. PBA is something different, but not new when it comes to trying to "take paintball to prime time."

If we want to prime time paintball, just bribe someone in the xgames or Olympics or some other big time venue like that and were much closer to prime time.

The fact is that presently, PBA is a world class effort with virtually no one paying attention.

Anonymous said...

PBA a world class effort? Sure.

PBA is world class? I don't think so. There is a lack of professionalism and attention to detail found with more mainstream extreme sports (think X-Games).

I'm not saying PBA isn't good, but plenty of room for improvement.

Anonymous said...

@ Anon 6:21

"NPPL is good for the sport"?

How is a poorly-run, utterly mis-managed shadow of a "league" good for paintball?

Spare me the "competition keeps things cheap for everyone because PSP would raise prices blah blah blah" bullshit, because NPPL dies once before and the PSP actually lowered prices.

If anything, I'd say the NPPL's horribly mis-managed shoestring events make professional paintball look like a joke to outsiders.

Missy Q said...

Yah, thats totally why Paintball looks like a joke to outsiders - because of the NPPL...

Keep kidding yourself..

Having an organised league, with participants, is good for the game. To an outsider, I don't think it makes a difference what league it is at this point in time.


Anonymous said...

There is an organized league with participants: The PSP. When an outsider watches a PSP event and/or webcast, they see a moderately polished product that is digestible. They look at the NPPL and see a clusterfuck.

Which one do you think promotes a better image for the sport, especially to advertisers/investors? Believe me, it makes a HUGE difference which league they see.

Anonymous said...

Agreed with above anon. PBA is neither a world class effort, nor a world class product. And in my opinion, they've peaked. The product will not become substantially better, even if outside monies were pouring in.

PBA is severely lacking in other aspects that are holding the sport back, but that's another discussion all together.

What I do gather is that PBA/SMP will not be going away any time soon and that, for now, the webcast is here to stay.

Missy Q said...

Seriously Anon2.24?

There are many organised leagues with participants. They are all over the world. They all provide a place for people who want to play competitive paintball to play, and as such they are all valuable to the game. The game is nothing without its participants. The PSP can't take them all and in turn, they would not all wish to play the PSP.

There are 2 types of people in the world. The ones who try to be successful through making their own product the best, and those that try to be successful by dogging on other peoples product and trying to make theirs seem better by comparison.

I'm guessing your the 2nd type...

...and I also disagree with your assumption that advertisers/investors will be swayed by the PSP because it 'promotes a better image of the sport'. Thats just poppycock. History and experience tell us different. I cannot buy into your blinkered fantasies, sorry.

I have no problem with people saying the PSP is the dominant league, the best league, the best webcast etc. I only have a problem with people bagging on the other guys for sport, especially when the baggers, like you, are ignorant of so many facts and clearly just want to smear for fashions sake. Many leagues have had webcasts, and most have had webcasts before the PSP. PBA have spent a bunch of money on the PSP webcast, but as yet it is an product with no buyers, and an expense that will not be able to be borne indefinitely. It has the potential to be one of the most expensive mistakes this industry has made to date, and the jury is well and truly out. Anyone who thinks different is drinking the koolaid.
Personally I hope it will succeed, but I have to be honest and say that at this stage it does not look like it will. If we get to the Cup and there is no more money coming in, I expect some cuts to be made.

Anonymous said...

Missy- I've followed your commentating on here for a while and generally have liked what you've had to say but I'm having trouble understanding why you would lend the NPPL credence when their model now is shifting to that of mimicking the PSP. Lately the NPPL has offered nothing. Worst of all it segregates a base that should otherwise be unified. The case is made over and over again that its existence helps to innovate and reduce costs but I find that extremely disingenuous and a slap in the face to the hard work made by others. As a competitor it has over promised and under delivered and continually proves itself unsustainable. If there were ever to be an objective case for the biggest mistake in paintball by investment it would have to be the NPPL. 3 times it has failed.

Anonymous said...

In order for competition to improve the competitors, you actually have to have two competitors.

Alleging that PSP is better because NPPL exists is like alleging Dynasty will become better by practicing your local D4 team.

NewPro said...

^ comment of the month, coach send that anon a medal

Baca Loco said...

You kids crack me up. :)
The truth is at the time of the split the competing leagues improved tournament paintball across the board and all the late comers are unknowingly reaping those benefits.

Anonymous said...

@ Anon 5:44

NPPL doesn't segregate a base that should otherwise be unified, said base keeps itself segregated. Not everybody wants to play the PSP's version of our game, much in the way that not everybody wants to play tournament paintball to begin with. I personally prefer 7man, when it comes down to a decision between the two, but I really just enjoy playing paintball when it comes down to it...whatever style is being played at the field that I happen to be at.

None of us can really say what the PSP will do if they no other national tournament as a direct competitor, as the NPPL folded during the off-season last time, and was replaced by the USPL before the next season started. To that point, if I recall correctly, the PSP's prices were actually amended after the USPL announced that they would be returning to HB.

I believe that the main point of Missy's post though, was that people should support & play whatever they like, and stop trying to denigrate what they don't like. If you (meant generally, not to anyone specific) don't like the format/vendors/sponsors/management, or anything else done by a certain league, then don't support or play it.

Anonymous said...

You all are too kind. NPPL is bad for the sport because it keeps stealing money from the players, charging for services it doesn't deliver.

Although at this point, if you're dumb enough to give NPPL your money, you somewhat deserve what you (don't) get.

Missy Q said...

ok hotshot - give me one example of the NPPL stealing money from players.

Missy Q said...

Just checking back to see if you had that example yet - I mean I know there's no way you would come out and accuse a whole organisation of theft, and not have anything to back it up, right?
No-one's that stupid...

Anonymous said...

The NPPL does have a reputation for promising cash payouts and then backing out when it comes time to pay. This is true in the lower divisions. The level of competion in the NPPL can't be compared to PSP. D2 NPPL isn't anything like D2 PSP. Players who like real competion get better value out of the PSP. Therefor the NPPL is charging for a service that it doesn't deliver. HB is a cool event but if the NPPL goes deep in the red putting the venue together maybe they should do it somewhere else. 7 man teams are going to play regardless of location. The NPPL doesn't steal players money rather they mismanage it.

Anonymous said...

@Missy:

The entire sentence was "stealing money from the players, charging for services it doesn't deliver."

If you pay for something, and you don't get it, that's stealing. NPPL charges high prices for a national-level tournament and does not deliver the product.

Anonymous said...

Actually no. 'Stealing' pertains to the crime of theft. Paying for something and not getting it would be more like 'defrauding' or 'fraud', which is not the same as stealing.
If something is stolen, you can call the cops as it's a crime. If you're defrauded you would go to the business bureau to complain, and might bring a civil suit.

So, Missy is right.

Anonymous said...

Fraud is a particular method of stealing.

And you can absolutely report fraud as a crime.

If someone offers to remodel your bathroom, and you pay half up front, and then they disappear after ripping out your current bathroom but failing to install a new one, you may have been defrauded, but you're going to tell all your friends your money was stolen.

NPPL is the remodeled bathroom with a toilet that doesn't flush, causing the shit to keep building up until nobody wants to use it anymore.

Anonymous said...

"NPPL is the remodeled Bathroom with a toliet that doesn't flush, causing the shit to keep building up until nobody wants to use it anymore"
Thats funny lol
In the real world the contractor who doesn't finish the job for whatever reason can have the bond attached to his contractors license leaned by the homeowner for damages.
The contractor may not of intended fraud and the homeowner would have a hard time in court proving fraud was the intent. The court Instead will find the contractor negligent for damages and a complaint is filed with the contractors license board where a lien is filed against the contractors bond.The rules for civil court are different then criminal court.
I don't believe the NPPL is deliberately trying to defraud anybody. I think they want to be the greatest show on earth but when the team numbers aren't their neither is the funds to make it sustainable. And when the NPPL had large turnouts they still couldn't seem to keep their financial house in order. Then theirs the problem with player rankings in the NPPL in that they don't really represent anything close to a standard that makes any logical sense. In the PSP we have the APPA which has evolved into a workable standard with one of the intentions to keep players from sandbagging. In the NPPL it's almost like the opposit has occured. You have teams playing in divisions that really shouldn't be their. For every team that's competent in their division their are five others In that same division that wouldn't last more then a minute on a PSP field. The quality of talent has been diluted which makes winning less meaningful. The PBN thread is full of people complaining about unpaid winnings and no communication from management. The last I heared X-factors check was still in the mail. If the NPPL fails to follow through with paying a pro team their winnings expect legit teams to stop playing the NPPL all together. Discussing the facts behind the current state of a league doesn't mean people are hating on it.